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Michael Neel
neel at mediapulse.com
Sat Aug 24 16:29:39 EST 2002
Would it make since to have python.apache.org work the same as jakarta.apache.org? Then have mod_python, mod_snake, and any other efforts listed as sub-projects. Zope could be related link, but it really does fit in with what I think of when I think "mod_python". I want mod_python to provide 2 very key parts; 1. provided an embedded interperter so I can speed up a existing python code with little effort and 2. provide a python API version of the Apache API. (I'm not saying we don't have these bases covered, just say what I'm looking for in a mod python project). Zope is a tool for a different job. If the sticking point is wether python.apache.org jumps to mod_python or mod_snake, then just solve that now by linking to both as the java pages do. Once python has a higher visibility, the community will help it become whatever it needs to become with reguards to apache. BTW anyone want to make RedHat stop shipping python 1.5 as default and giving you mod_python built against 1.5 as well? I can dream can't I? Anyone ask Guido if he would make a phone call? =D Mike -- Michael C. Neel There are only 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't. -----Original Message----- From: mod_python-admin at modpython.org [mailto:mod_python-admin at modpython.org] On Behalf Of vio Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:16 AM To: J?rgen Fr?jk Kj?rsgaard {Metation} Cc: mod_python at modpython.org Subject: Re: [mod_python] Promoting Python as web application development language Again Jorgen, many thanks for your reply. In a couple of emails you outlined the framework of a possible 'python.apache.org' project. Its goals, both strategic (to promote a unified effort in making Python a language of choice on the Apache server) and tactical or technical (to integrate the main python_on_apache codebases, while maintaining an open door to alternatives) are quite clear. The writing on the wall is "cooperation". I would take it that your views more or less reflect those of the apache board. Excellent. Well, Fabian, I hope this would be of some help for your PR efforts, so best of luck and hopefully you'll keep us in touch of your progress on the mod_python list. I guess it's your call from now on. Warm regards, Vio * J?rgen Fr?jk Kj?rsgaard {Metation} <jfk at metation.com> [020824 08:39]: > Lørdag 24. August 2002 12:36 skrev du: > > If I read your Rivet analogy correctly, apache might be interested > > in giving its 'official' blessing (i.e. the powerful > > 'python.apache.org') to the python project who will manage to rally > > support from the web-python community at large. In this regard, > > Fabian's latest PR makes a lot of sense. > > Exactly. > > > But again speaking from a user's perspective, if I consider the 2 > > web-python packages I know a little about - zope and mod_python - I > > don't see those code bases integrating anytime soon (simply because > > they serve 2 quite different audiences, and I would think they are > > rather entrenched). Because of this, should there be no > > 'python.apache.org' ? > > There should be a python.apache.org. The question is who should be > part of > it? mod_python and Zope are very unlikely to integrate, but some cooperation > may be possible. In the open source desktop area, KDE and Gnome actually use > some common code today (KDE depends on the GNOME XML core libraries), even > though the groups couldn't stand eachother a few years ago. > > On the other hand, you are right when you say that Zope doesn't fit > very well > in. Zope is not very tightly integrated with Apache. A "zope.apache.org" > would be very unlikely. > > I think python.apache.org should consist of mod_python, mod_snake, CGI > Python > and maybe a few others that I haven't even head about yet. Some time in the > future, mod_python and mod_snake may integrate, though it may not seem > possible today. A couple of years ago Rivet didn't seem possible either! > > tcl.apache.org succeeded because it is open to alternatives, it isn't > one > mod_*. > > > I disagree. As long as there will be no official ralying point to > > attract > > python+apache afficionados on a 'single point of effort', parallel > > python+efforts > > will continue to florish, each more or less re-inventing the > > proverbial wheel. And not cooperating very much, I would think. > > Maybe our thoughts are not that different at all... The purpose of > python.apache.org should be to expose Python more _and_ to promote a more > unified effort in making Python a language of choice on the Apache server. > > regards, Jørgen > > -- > Jørgen Frøjk Kjærsgaard, direktør og systemkonsulent > Metation aps - Kystvejen 29, DK-8000 Århus C > Web: www.metation.com - Tlf: +45 8625 0038 - Mobil: +45 2925 6693 _______________________________________________ Mod_python mailing list Mod_python at modpython.org http://www.modpython.org/mailman/listinfo/mod_python
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