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mog
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Tue Jan 12 14:00:56 EST 2010
On 12/01/2010 14:09, Geert Dekkers wrote: > How about mod_wsgi (http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/) ??? > Geert > > On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Clodoaldo Neto wrote: > > >> 2010/1/12 mog<lists at elasticmind.net>: >> >>> So, the time has come. I need to start a new project and also migrate my old >>> mod_python stuff to something else :( >>> >>> After all the sweat, blood and tears I put into learning about how Python >>> web apps work, learning how to use mod_python, and how to put web apps >>> together (using mod_python). It's really sad to think that a good portion of >>> that effort seems lost because, unfortunately, mod_python is deprecated :( >>> >>> I looked at a few web frameworks but found they either simply didn't work, >>> exhibited weird random unpredictable behaviour that was impossible to work >>> with, or seemed to abstract so far away from real HTTP which made me feel >>> uncomfortable. I finally settled on mod_python because it seemed to be a >>> nice balance of powerful functionality and usefulness - oh, and it worked. >>> >>> With mod_python I felt as though I was working closely with the HTTP >>> requests because I could use the request objects directly and, if I wanted >>> (and I did), stick stuff in them to use in sessions. mod_python seemed >>> pretty raw, but not so much so that I had to write my own request handlers >>> and all the nitty gritty things like that (which, being new to web >>> development, was and probably still is beyond my ability to do well and >>> securely). I liked it because it also provided lots of in-built utilities >>> making it really easy to do session handling, redirection and so on. >>> >>> I'm trying to avoid using one of the mainstream frameworks because I feel >>> they overcomplicate things, bloat things up, and abstract too much away from >>> what is really going on. Many of them annoyingly also end up requiring a >>> bazillion dependencies to install. Personally I like to use small and >>> compact programs that are really good at doing the small number of things I >>> need them to, as opposed to installing some giant application (and all its >>> dependencies) that can do everything under the sun I'll never use. >>> >>> With all this in mind. I was hoping someone would please be so kind as to >>> recommend things that I could use instead of mod_python as a WSGI layer, but >>> that hopefully works in a similar way to mod_python? >>> >> You could start trying Werkzeug which calls itself "a simple >> collection of various utilities for WSGI applications". >> >> http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/ >> >> Then WebOb: >> >> http://pythonpaste.org/webob/ >> >> Regarding small and simple I think the two above are some of the best >> approaches but don't expect something like the mod_python's publisher >> handler. >> >> Regards, Clodoaldo >> >> >>> Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> mog Sorry guys, I think it would have helped for me to be a bit more specific. I am definitely going to be using mod_wsgi as the the Python/Apache interpreter; in fact, I installed and tested mod_wsgi last night on my server - it seems to work just fine. What I wasn't sure about were the ways in which mod_wsgi is different to mod_python. For example, my app would make use of mod_python's session support and put a user_id into the request object so it was persistent (accessing the request info directly). It would also use internal redirects for pages that required authentication; so if a user needed to log in first, it would automatically show them a login screen and then take them to their requested page following a successful login. I was under the impression that mod_wsgi did not provide similar functionality for these common things for me to use (like mod_python does). So I'd need to use some kind of utilities or "framework" to help me with this. I guess what I was really asking for advice on was: what I might be able to use to help me effectively migrate from mod_python to mod_wsgi... It seems as though Werkzeug might be promising. Thanks to everyone who replied and offered advice/suggestions, it is greatly appreciated. Kind regards, mog
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